I’m not sure how successful this was. For most of my life, a red
Farmall tractor and a cabover 4070  and a Loadstar medium-duty
truck or school bus were the usual things I saw in their respective
fields. But now (admittedly after several years in California, which
may confound the results) I see mostly Petes and Kenworths pulling
the big loads, offshore makes of delivery trucks, and… well, being
in the Bay Area, no farm equipment at all.

–Joe, who has many vivid memories of the tail-happy first-generation Scout

: Bruce it is not our fault that you bought one with a 4-banger
:
        It was, to its credit, one tough little truck. I ran it with
    a the rocker shaft bolt between cylinders 2 and 3 twisted off,
    and it didn’t seem to care. For all I know, it is still running
    today, with the same condition.

        However that dropped frame (ie, it was a LOT lower in the center
    than over the axles) did allow it to high-center on just about
    everything. And those sliding windows did suck. Greatly. I think
    it was the ’63 model that introduced roll-down windows. I really
    was jealous of that.

        The original post was just my respose to those Scout II owners
    denigrating other 4×4′s. In all seriousness, the Scout II was a
    much better vehicle than the original.

                                                                Bruce
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  Bruce Burden            bru…@eden.com             Austin, Tx.

"I like bad!"
        -Thuganlitha
        The Power and the Prophet

 > somebody wrote:

 >
 > : Dude, what do you offroad in? Scouts owners are proud of their scouts

 > because

 > : they can appreciate how well their Scouts are built. Dana 44 frnt& rr axle

 > : T-18,T-19 truck transmisions, TF-727 auto tranny, Dana 20, Dana 300 Tcases

 > and

 > : the industrial duty IH V8s.

 > :

 >      Hell, thats not a Scout. My Scout had a lovely 4 cyl that was made

 >      by "forgetting" the left (drivers) side cylinders and head, and had a

 >      marvelous feature of high-centering itself on every frozen snow clod

 >      it could find.

 >
 >      On the other hand, the heater worked real well, however. Yep, those

 >      were the days. On a good day, you could actually achieve 60 mph with

 >      a serious hill, tail wind and a good wax job.

 >
 > : What cha got…. auto locking hubs?

 > :

 >      What’s that? I really envied those who had real roll down windows

 >      however. Those really beat hell out of sliding windows…

 > :

 > : 78 Scout II

 > :

 >
 >
 >                                                      Bruce

 >                                                      ’62 Scout 4×4

 >                                                      ’95 Tacoma 4×4

 >
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 >   Bruce Burden            bru…@eden.com            Austin, Tx.

 >
 > "I like bad!"

 >         -Thuganlitha

 >         The Power and the Prophet

 >
 >
 >

Bruce it is not our fault that you bought one with a 4-banger

My dad bought a 75 scout in 78. After watching my dad drag a Frightliner

convential that lost air pressure 6 city blocks down 440 (witch is now 195) in

killeen I knew I had to have one.

I bought a 79 scout 16 months ago. I have used it to unstick two hummers and I

have out pulled anything else around this area.

As for that IHC engine missing one head making it a 4 banger look at the horse

power and tourqe for that motor.

As for the top speed change your gears in the axles mine is running 3.07s and i

can run 110 down the road if I want. Alot of the scout with 4 cylr had real low

gears 4.11 and higher (one guy on the base here had 6.11 or something like that

and his top speed was 35 MPH but he could pull a house behind that thing).

Also rember that the IHC engines are High mass low RPM engines. if you want a

truck that will haul a– buy a SS454.If you want a truck that will move a

mountain buy a used scout. \

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: Dude, what do you offroad in? Scouts owners are proud of their scouts because
: they can appreciate how well their Scouts are built. Dana 44 frnt& rr axles,
: T-18,T-19 truck transmisions, TF-727 auto tranny, Dana 20, Dana 300 Tcases and
: the industrial duty IH V8s.
:
        Hell, thats not a Scout. My Scout had a lovely 4 cyl that was made
     by "forgetting" the left (drivers) side cylinders and head, and had a
     marvelous feature of high-centering itself on every frozen snow clod
     it could find.

        On the other hand, the heater worked real well, however. Yep, those
     were the days. On a good day, you could actually achieve 60 mph with
     a serious hill, tail wind and a good wax job.

: What cha got…. auto locking hubs?
:
        What’s that? I really envied those who had real roll down windows
     however. Those really beat hell out of sliding windows…
:
: 78 Scout II
:

                                                        Bruce
                                                        ’62 Scout 4×4
                                                        ’95 Tacoma 4×4

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  Bruce Burden            bru…@eden.com             Austin, Tx.

"I like bad!"
        -Thuganlitha
        The Power and the Prophet

Just prior to the demise of the Scout, IH had unveiled a Kevlar-bodied
prototype, indicating that they were not only innovative and
forward-thinking, but that they intended to stay in the market.

Scout went out of production, not because of its lack of popularity, but
because IH was having financial problems and because of internal
politics. At some point IH decided to drop its line of light trucks,
which included the Scout. Just prior to the IH decision to drop the
Scout, plans were afoot to actually expand the line. One especially
interesting item in the Scout III lineup was the "Sports Enthusiast"
model. This was a lightweight Scout, weighing in at about 2,800-lbs, and
was designed primarily as an off-road vehicle. It was to have a full-time
4WD system, and a new, lightweight and more powerful engine. In fact,
crash testing had already started on these new models in 1978, and a
supplier for the new bodies had been decided upon. There is a prototype
of this vehicle in the Auburn museum.

IAC, it was the lack of financial resources and management support that
killed the Scout, which was arguably the very first SUV. The Ford Bronco,
the Blazer, Ramvharger, and other 4WD vehicles of that genre came *after*
the Scout. It was in part the Scout’s success that spawned these
competitors, although the market for this type of vehicle was starting to
grow as well.

Where would the Scout be today had management decided to keep and improve
their line of light trucks? We’ll never know.

May I suggest reading the "Illustrated International Pickup and Scout
Buyers Guide" by Tom Brownell, published by Motorbooks International.

Shel Belinkoff
belin…@netcom.com
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Tim Tewalt wrote:

: Just why *did* IH quit making Scouts?  Anyone know the REAL reason?

: : At the time that production was ceased, they were quite popular
: : AND quite successful.

: According to who?  Please quantify "quite popular" and "quite successful".

: : This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of record.

: Sounds like a matter of opinion to me.  8-)

: Kidding aside, I like Scouts and would like to know more about their
: production history.

When International discontinued the Scout in ’80, the company was in deep
financial trouble. Altho the Scout’s sales had held annually at the 30,000
mark for the last few years (comprable to Jimmys and Broncos), production
costs and labor disputes made the company (whose main profit came from the
mfging of BIG trucks) decide that the Scout was just more trouble than it
was worth.>

> : You shouldn’t advertize your ignorance. International’s decision to dis-
> : continue the Scout had nothing to do with it’s success or popularity.

> Just why *did* IH quit making Scouts?  Anyone know the REAL reason?

They quit making Scouts and other light trucks because they were losing
money on them, for reasons I don’t know.  I would suspect quality control
problems had a lot to do with it.

I owned a ’77 Scout, 304 V8, but can honestly say that the fit and finish
of that vehicle left a lot to be desired.  It was also extremely heavy and
noisy (especially the back hatch, which rattled terribly).  On the other
hand, it was built like a tank.  I remember riding to school in those old
International school buses, and thought it was cool to have a school bus
engine in my vehicle (it kind of sounded the same too).

–
Mike DeMicco  <demic…@llnl.gov>

Wow, in that case I don’t know why anyone else even tries.  I guess I will
sell every vehicle I own and invest in as many scouts as I can find.

So long little jeep, the good times we had were obviously a figment of my
imagination!

: You shouldn’t advertize your ignorance. International’s decision to dis-
: continue the Scout had nothing to do with it’s success or popularity.

Just why *did* IH quit making Scouts?  Anyone know the REAL reason?

:                                                             At the
: time that production was ceased, they were quite popular AND quite successful.

According to who?  Please quantify "quite popular" and "quite successful".

: This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of record.

Sounds like a matter of opinion to me.  8-)

Kidding aside, I like Scouts and would like to know more about their
production history.

Tim